I had a thought about that this morning. Perhaps there can be a protocol in place for characters who want to return to the Wheel, whereby they leave a certain type of advertisment on the Holonet which to the casual observer appears harmless enough, but is in reality is a coded message to the Alliance requesting pick-up. Presumably the phrasing of the advertisment would change from time to time to avoid detection.Originally Posted by Dasquian Belargic
I like this analogy; detaching the saucer with the non-essential personnel, while the rest of the ship goes off to fight.
Adding to something that Droo touched on: this could begin as something temporary, as a security measure during the lockdown. It gives the Jedi more freedom to move without any silly security complications with shuttles, and helps keep the Whaledon extra-safe until the Dan crisis has passed.
Long-term, I think it's a good option too. As Charley says... being able to detach the Whaledon means that we can leave the Jedi behind if the Challenger ever goes on a mission; or the Whaladon can detach and jump away if the Wheel is attack, while the Challenger stays behind to cover their escape.
Also, it nicely avoids any problems with parking Jedi Starfighters: if the Jedi want to help out defending the Wheel during a dogfight, all they need to do is run from the Whaladon to the Challenger's hangar. If we have people on separate ships with shuttles carrying you from place to place, it's much harder to justify constantly being in the right place at the right time.
Edit:
Something Droo and I thought up earlier... if the Whaladon and the Challenger are having constant ship-sex, that opens up a bunch of new possibilities.- Specialists - which Jedi or Alliance personnel to consult about a certain topic
Droo suggested that maybe Jedi Padawans wouldn't be limited just to learning Jedi stuff - there's the potential for members of the Challenger crew to teach them stuff like piloting, tactics, repair skills, etc on top of of their more traditional Jedi training... extra skills to flesh out characters, and to open up roleplaying opportunities going forward.
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It's like that, and that's the way it is.
I'm in favor of all of this. Getting a ship for growing their own food and stuff would be quite fun to RP.
In addition growing food would be something Serena has experience with. I wouldn't mind her being in charge of this in some fashion.
there is no passion; there is serenity
there is no death; there is the Force
It would be fun to RP, sure. But when?
It's not the sort of thing that we could do prior to the Alliance Intel lockdown. It's not something that would be easy to do while we're all cowering in fear at the prospect of evil Dan the Sith coming to eat us in our sleep.
Yes, we could add it as a thread before the lockdown. But do we really want to throw in another big RP story that delays us from pushing on with the Dan arc? I'm glad you like the idea, but I am uncomfortable with something I suggested causing more delays an already extensively delayed plan.
Perhaps we could either a) assume the ship is here already, b) wait until after the Dan arc to roleplay this, c) assume the ship is here already, and then go back and RP getting it as a flashback once we're less busy with the Dan arc, or d) make sure the people RPing the ship-acquisition aren't the same players who should be focusing on driving forward the Dan arc?
One alternative is that it wouldn't be possible for every single person aboard the Wheel to be part of whatever developments are upcoming in the Dan arc, so people who are unlikely to be able to contribute there could take themselves out of harms way (as it were) and go off to acquire the Ithorian ship. I'm thinking that padawans like Kala, for example, would make sense for this. Padawans who don't have a predefined role within the Alliance hierarchy of the Wheel. I would also be game for sending Barton along, since this would technically be like procuring supplies.
Morgan had the idea of it being a salvage operation so I'm ok with him taking point in setting it up as I'm not sure exactly what he had in mind.
With the Wheel pretty much doing it's own thing separate from the rest of the Alliance while they're on high Dan Is A Sith Alert I think it's reasonable to assume that one of their random jumps could bring them within range of a broke herdship (a small one, not a huge city one). Then it's just a matter to getting an away team together.
Are we talking broken down and abandoned, or broken down recently?
It's worth bearing in mind that plants / crops have a tendancy to die / go rotten if they aren't sufficiently taken care of. Also, a spooky abandoned overgrown plant ship is a cool concept for a mission, but it'd take someone a lot of effort to turn it back into a functioning kitchen-garden that is producing food that we can actually eat. (I volunteer Charley :mneh)
Maybe there's an insane Ithorian gardner lurking around the place, threatening imaginary children to get off his imaginary lawn with his imaginary pitchfork?
We have an Ithorian registered and ready to teach us how to use his ship.
We had a big Jedi chat yesterday afternoon wherein this was all discussed by a huge amount of people (one reason to join in on chats mr Jace). The details are not worked out completely yet, but the idea is that yes, it will be functioning to some degree with at least one survivor on board.
Bearing in mind that most of these chats happen in the small hours of the morning as far as GB time goes, I'm not entirely sure that they're the smartest / fairest place to be making decisions. You can't realistically expect people like Droo, Jenny, or myself to stay up overnight on a regular basis, just to make sure we're privvy to the things that are decided.
In fairness both myself and Droo were in the chat. It was taking place at a Brit friendly time. It's not like the chats are law but a fair amount of discussion came out of it and this was one of the potential story ideas to take forward.
It was sort of a spur of the moment thing, as there were a vast majority of the Jedi RPers online and Jenny had mentioned in a post here possibly having a chat to discuss things to add to a Guide. I highly doubt it will be a regular occurrence. RP discussion actually happening in a group chat is a little rare.
Actually that's not true, we talk about Rp all the time in chats, just not to this extent.
In no particular order as I remember them:
I think that's it? Anyone else have more to add?
- Yes on Challenger and Whaladon becoming intimately acquainted
- Whaladon is an Action IX as is listed in the wiki (not sure how this affects the previous point)
- Add only one ship so as not to spread out too thinly, the Ithorian herdship.
- Herdship is a small version, not a city ship because that's just ridiculous.
- There's at least one Ithorian on board and it will be a salvage operation by the Wheel when we come across it, however that comes about and whenever it does. (personally I don't see anything stopping us from just doing this whenever we are ready)
- Padawans needed some sort of schedule to help them know what they're supposed to be doing (wrote schedule as an example to help RPers)
- Masters and Padawans should do more stuff together. If you're bored with your padawan and you've been assigned to a master, then you guys should talk or something. Not up to the group as a whole to make sure that you're planning stuff OOC?
- Away missions, supply runs... this has all been discussed before, in length, ad nauseum. We still discussed it again, at length. Bottom line - you want to do something then you probably can. Gather some RPers and go for it. Or just make shit up. (In current state of affairs with the Wheel on high alert these sort of RPs will be great ways to show our vigilance. We have some of that, I hope!)
- Padawans used for escort duties somethingsomething I don't quite remember all of this one...
- Group training sessions can be started. Knights need to figure out what they could be teaching and Padawans can use that as background information in their RPs, like "just got done with meditation with Serena and was headed to the mess for lunch when..." ALSO probably a good idea for at least one actual group training session to be RPed out. We have ten or so padawans, not a big deal to include them all in a thread. (I'll be doing one with Serena soonish)
- Padawans and Jedi should have duties within the Wheel, either on the Whaladon or on the Challenger.
- Non-Jedi can teach padawans or Jedi stuff, like piloting or engineering, whatever they want to learn.
Ah, okay.
I thought it was a Hangout, but apparently it was on AIM. I'm afraid that with my current medical circumstances, I cannot participate in group chats in text format. The speed at which comments fly in - particularly comments on random tangents - is just too much for my brain to handle at the moment, which is why I have not been able to contribute to such things lately.
I'm not denying the fact that a fantastic amount of progress was made: I just think that as a general rule, we should be careful not to do too much discussion off the boards if we can help it, just to avoid people being left out.
*shrug*
As long as discussions are brought here, which they were and explained, there is no reason why discussion cannot take place in AIM chat. That is my two cents anyway and from someone not in that chat, I like the progress so far and have no concerns at present.
Eh, I'm with Jace on the people being left out. Even though I'm happy that all this stuff got discussed and progress made, I'm still a little sad that I wasn't able to be around for it because it seemed that not only was it a discussion, but a decision-making session as well. Discussion over AIM is fine, but when it comes to the decisions I dunno. It seems the right thing to do would be to make sure that decisions are made on the forum itself so that everyone - not just a 'majority' - in the group can read over what was talked about and give their yay or nay.
Any 'decisions' that may have been made are still up for further discussion and changing.
We'll never do it again, I guess, just seemed like a good idea at the time.
None of this is set in stone until people write it out. I'm "in" these discussions sometimes but a lot of it takes place while I'm at work and more often than not I'm actually doing my job.
Listen: I'm genuinely sorry you guys feel left out but I'm not going to stop throwing ideas at the AIM Chat dartboard. Nor do I think anyone else should feel discouraged either.
I'm going to be blunt because I'm stressed out and tired and cranky: roll with the punches. Not everything has to be planned down to the minute, and if you don't like it, don't fucking participate every time. Not everyone is going to be part of every thing.
A) none of these things have happened yet
B) it's being discussed
C) deal with it.
We post all kinds of "we're gonna do this!" and half the time nothing ever comes of it, or it takes a YEAR to post.
It's not like we're leaving you guys out of the raid because you're a bunch of scrubs, fucking buck up.
I misread a few things, is all. Sorry for not reading more thoroughly, and in the future just ask me to clarify what decisions I thought were made. After rereading it a few times it's all cool and I honestly have no problem with anything but the convoy size, but that right there has its' own thread anyway.
Well at least I know I can talk trash about you in the chat with impunity now, woot
Ah, Chris. Diplomatic as ever.
I guess I maybe inferred things incorrectly, or saw people's enthusiasm for an idea and mistook it for a decision. I had someone ping me on AIM first thing in the morning telling me that you'd discussed a bunch of stuff while I was asleep, so maybe that's why I interpreted stuff wrong.
Being equally tired-cranky and blunt though: people get missed out of discussions a lot. This whole thing with the Intelligence lockdown of the Wheel? I'm meant to be roleplaying the senior military officer, but everything got discussed amongst other people, and no has told me a thing about it, or bothered to think "Oh hey, maybe Jace should be in the loop on this". I suggested adding an Ithorian ship, but instead of "Oh hey, maybe Jace has some thoughts on this since he suggested it," I wake up the following morning and find that characters have been registered and a plan is already being put together.
Edit: I like the plan you cooked up with for the Ithorian ship: it has a lot of potential. It is just completely different from what I had in mind when I suggested it. I was talking about a ship that was already there, not one we were going to conveniently stumble upon: something to explain how we have been feeding ourselves in the past, rather than how we are going to feed ourselves in the future. Minor detail, but whatever.
I am most definately not the only person that this happens to. I know full well that this is a community, and I am not asking for special treatment. I am not asking for discussion to not happen either... but if they do, perhaps we could get into the habit of being clear about what was discussed from the get-go (like the very helpful summary that Holly posted).
I am quite happy to "roll with the punches", but it would be considerably easier if people remember to yell "hey Jace, watch out for the fist" beforehand, so I don't get socked round the jaw quite so often.
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