Black Sun shake up and down?

[Lilaena De'Ville]

The Cizerack are so anti-crime you'd be in jail before your head stopped spinning. :mneh

Black Sun has some Hutt connections through the missing Grym Kandle - he brought us a spice connection from Hutt space when he joined. I haven't heard anything more from Charley about his Hutt joining Black Sun. But 'historically' in SW canon the Hutts sort of do their own thing. I'm wary of trying to use the Hutts in a group because that's been tried before and its always failed.

Single Hutts are fine, a group of Hutts becomes as unwieldy and inactive as the slugs themselves.

[O.W. Outcast]

We had Yurga the Hutt at BN. Which sorsha ran and was suposed to be turned over to me account wise but never was.

[Dasquian Belargic]

I'd love to see a really despicable Hutt crime-lord, since they are almost like the quintessential Star Wars gangsters.

I might be imagining this, but I believe there was talk of the Cizerack and Hapes perhaps drawing up some kind of alliance. Onderon/Hapes are matriachies like the Pride, so there would be a cohesion of ideologies there (and in numerous other respects).

[Lorn Kadross]

My original intention for this character was to be something of a Hutt Syndicate head pulling what he could together from the chaos Jabba had left behind. Unfortunatly he was beaten to the punch by Yurga, unknown to me at the time. Sorsha and I were gonna fit Lorn in somewhere, but that sorta fell apart and this account has been collecting dust.

If its cool I'd like to pursue a similar idea, working with BN of course since its Fans history.

However I'd like to say that I was a tad disappointed learning about all the merging of criminal organizations. Yes it makes them easier to control as a group, but honestly space is vast and the idea that all the little gangs now work together just doesn't sound that confrontational in terms of turf wars. Criminal organizations have always been about turf control, vendettas, and back stabbing, not holding hands and sharing the loot with each other.

Perhaps this shake up could result in the break-up of Sorsha's networked collection of syndicates. Thats not saying there couldn't be short-term partnerships between the groups. I just want to see some more independence so that toes would be stepped on.<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

[Dasquian Belargic]

There isn't anything to stop fragments forming from the merger, if it does happen. Likewise, crime organisations don't need to be even affiliated with the Black Sun. We have at least one already which has no ties to any of the Vigos *nods towards Emelie*

[Lorn Kadross]

Which is great. I was just commenting on the whole umbrella that is BN, and how it was should anyone have the bright idea of splitting or operating independently - put the boots to 'em. At least that's the feeling I got from Sorsha, and I left it at that.
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[Lilaena De'Ville]

I'm fine leaving Black Sun and Black Nebula as they are.

But I'm fine with them reintegrating together again as well. P'raps a vote between the members of the groups is in order?

[Droo]

I think a merging of them is inevitable and essential, regardless of a vote. Between them they have, in recent memory, done bugger all. Their members are relatively inactive. So from a purely OOC perspective, which is what this discussion is about (sod the characters for a minute), we need to bite the bullet and bring our characters and schemes together under one roof and then perhaps we can get to some criming!

[Ecks]

Well then lets just say its done and forget about RPing it because it'll take too long to do the RP.

[Captain Untouchable]

Just because we only have one in-character RP group doesn't mean it's the only crime syndicate out there.

At the end of the day, it isn't about "controlling" the group. It's more about having split ourselves up in such a way that no one really seems to have anything to do, or anyone to do it with... so nothing happens. It might be disappointing, but personally I think it's more disappointing to have Black Sun stagnating through inactivity?

[Dasquian Belargic]

We can do it OOC and still RP it out IC, if that's what the members (...aren't you the only member, Sassy? ) want.

[Kal Olorin]

Yeah she's the only member (besides me, which is also her, which is weird) but there might have been a few ... around... somewhere...



But to be honest before the reset it was just me then too. Black Sun has never been a big huge group... the Black Nebula side was always full of more members.

[Taataani Meorrrei]

I'd love to see a really despicable Hutt crime-lord, since they are almost like the quintessential Star Wars gangsters.

I might be imagining this, but I believe there was talk of the Cizerack and Hapes perhaps drawing up some kind of alliance. Onderon/Hapes are matriachies like the Pride, so there would be a cohesion of ideologies there (and in numerous other respects).

The Onderon deal brokered by Taataani and Salem doesn't represent any official policy tendered by the Cizerack government. It's more or less a watershed business deal put into place by a major capitalist within the pride.

The Pride Mother, I'd imagine, would be keen on letting those sort of things work as the market dictated, until / unless they generated a conflict of interests within the Pride's own sphere of influence and realpolitik. It's complicated and China-esque in a way.

As for my ruminations on Okar joining the vigos, I had sort of imagined him keeping his involvement a bit discrete, as he's found a lot of success in keeping his legitimate business empire a thriving front. I think his bounty on Wednesdaydale might be some sort of token buy-in to solidify himself as not just a Black Sun lieutenant (as I imagine him to be currently) but as a Vigo. Correct me if I'm wrong/crazy on this half baked roleplay idea!

[Chir'daki]

Yeah she's the only member (besides me, which is also her, which is weird) but there might have been a few ... around... somewhere...

I don't count?



Everyone ignores me. No wonder I became unhinged and pursued a career in killing people.

[Sasseeri Reeouurra]

Just because we only have one in-character RP group doesn't mean it's the only crime syndicate out there.

At the end of the day, it isn't about "controlling" the group. It's more about having split ourselves up in such a way that no one really seems to have anything to do, or anyone to do it with... so nothing happens. It might be disappointing, but personally I think it's more disappointing to have Black Sun stagnating through inactivity?

Well, technically Black Sun doesn't stagnate, just the IC involvement of us in it does. BS is still one of the biggest crime syndicates in the galaxy regardless of what we do. The split into BS and BN was an IC decision because we had two alpha female Vigos who couldn't work with each other. There's no reason for them not to go back together as one with Sorsha no longer running BN actively.

I think that if characters are inactive before we merge its highly likely they'll remain inactive afterward, but that's just my pessimism speaking.

Okar becoming a vigo by taking out Wednesdaydale sounds fine to me. What exactly would be his sphere of influence?

[Sasseeri Reeouurra]

Yeah she's the only member (besides me, which is also her, which is weird) but there might have been a few ... around... somewhere...

I don't count?



Everyone ignores me. No wonder I became unhinged and pursued a career in killing people.

Don't abandon your RPs and you'll start counting again mister.

I can't blame anyone for abandoning RPs last year, I did it all year because of the having a baby thing, so don't worry about it. And I AM sorry I forgot about you but its not like you're active in Black Sun right now. I thought you were joining KA or something?

[Taataani Meorrrei]

Okar becoming a vigo by taking out Wednesdaydale sounds fine to me. What exactly would be his sphere of influence?

To answer that, it might help to see how power is already divided up amongst the vigos so I could make a choice accordingly

[Chir'daki]

Yeah she's the only member (besides me, which is also her, which is weird) but there might have been a few ... around... somewhere...

I don't count?



Everyone ignores me. No wonder I became unhinged and pursued a career in killing people.

Don't abandon your RPs and you'll start counting again mister.

I can't blame anyone for abandoning RPs last year, I did it all year because of the having a baby thing, so don't worry about it. And I AM sorry I forgot about you but its not like you're active in Black Sun right now. I thought you were joining KA or something?

Could have sworn I was waiting on you there. I think I must've PM'd you about something, and been waiting on a reply or something.

Which is weird, since we talked since about the whole Bounty Hunters thing, you put me in touch with Grim Kandle, and that was definately more recently than that.

[Sasseeri Reeouurra]

Well...

Right now Kal runs the legitimate business of Reeouurra Inc. (the casinos and any illegal activites run through them)

Grym Kandle is our other PC Vigo (though MIA, I'd like to leave him as still in the organization) and he is our connection to Hutt Space and their spice.

So everything else is p. much open. I think the Nebula side is more involved in weapons and such, IIRC.

[Dasquian Belargic]

Arriana technically has control of a casino on Cloud City that Sorsha gave her, though I'm open to offers should anyone want to take it off her hands :mneh