Journalist who is reporting live from Baghdad has stated the building hit (read - demoliished) was the Ministry of Security. Andrew Hidray with the BBC who also said the Iraqi people seem to want this blitzreig to come so it's over and done with and they are free.
I vote not to care where or who we're attacking in Iraq, whether we're hitting Saddam himself, aircraft, or some random hotdog stand. In the end, it all falls under one big label: Iraq.
Nope it is not that simple. Only time will tell.Originally posted by Zeke
I vote not to care where or who we're attacking in Iraq, whether we're hitting Saddam himself, aircraft, or some random hotdog stand. In the end, it all falls under one big label: Iraq.
Originally posted by Zeke
I vote not to care where or who we're attacking in Iraq, whether we're hitting Saddam himself, aircraft, or some random hotdog stand. In the end, it all falls under one big label: Iraq.
Gee... that's a really evolved and sensible view of the situation...
Who cares about unnecessary collateral damage, as long as we get the dictator in the funny hat, huh? Send in the B-52's and carpet bomb everything!
I disappear for a few hours to get my nose pierced and look what happens. o_o;;
Uhm... what about Israel? They have WMDs too, don't they? They might not have used them (yet), but aren't they murdering the Palestinians? Shouldn't Bush be disarming Israel too, in that case?If we didn't care about innocents, we wouldn't be taking such great pains to get Saddam and KEEP HIM FROM MURDERING HIS PEOPLE, like he's done with impunity for decades.
Also, taking into account very recent history... take the attacks of Afghanistan, for example. What good did that do? Did Bush succeed in capturing bin Laden? No. The war is pointless. I'd be for it if there was actualyl a reason for going in, but there isn't. All it'll manage to do is aggravate a bunch of people and get innocent lives killed.
Okay, woohoo, war goes down, Saddam Hussein is killed. Then what? The only thing this is going to succeed in is to bring about a rise in new and more powerful terrorists. Nobody likes America. Global leaders may say one thing; the public has an altogether different opinion. Several MPs from the British Parliament have even resigned because of Blair condoning the war. I live in Bangladesh, and I for one know just how anti-American people can be. These new terrorists attack Bush. Bush goes insane and nukes every other country. The cycle repeats itself.
I admit, I might not have any idea about this war and so don't have much of a right to say anything. But I see what's going on CNN, on BBC, and with the people around me. I asked my dad (who DOES know what's going on) about his opinion on the war, and in his exact words, he said that Bush is trying to "take over the world".
And all that translates into one little fact: my nose is killing me.
*EDIT: To clarify what I said, whether or not the war is pointless depends on how Bush handles the situation. If he's able to successfully wipe out Saddam Hussein and his regime, install democracy and somehow deal with the whole Palestinian issue, then hurray. If he's ruthless... then he's just gone and created himself bigger problems. That, and my nose is still in pain.
The US does not want to fight the world. Nor overthrow any country. But how can the world stand by and allow Hussein build up greater power becoming a threat to the world abroad. The action in Afghanistan has done wonders really by overthrowing the Taliban and lifting it's oppressive government. Not to mention how helpful Pakistan has been with the US also. If we just stand by and take no affirmative action, then there is a greater guilt if Kuwait or Israel get a nuc or some biological weapon dumped on them c/o Saddam. Same goes with North Korea and al-Qaida too. I repeat America is not at war with any Muslim nation. America is concerned with this country (Iraq) and terrorism, and the threat it poses to the whole world abroad. We are not singling out any religious groups or peoples. Sometimes you can't ignore and wish for something to go away because frankly it is not going to happen. The unprovoked attack on 9/11 overthrew that theory proving to the whole world, didn't it? A complete and sudden act of terrorism the world never saw coming. Neither was prepared for. America is not a hostile nation without just cause.
So if there were rumoured terrorists in Washington, would you launch a full missile strike? Sure there's innocents, but it falls under the label of stopping terrorists, right?I vote not to care where or who we're attacking in Iraq, whether we're hitting Saddam himself, aircraft, or some random hotdog stand. In the end, it all falls under one big label: Iraq.
I'm with Taja on this one totally. Bush isn't trying to help Iraq or free the people that is crap that they display on TV for people in America. Even here in Canada their trying to brainwash us with all this war, I don't even listen to TV anymore I'm so dissapointed about all the crap they try to put in our minds. It's pathetic..and sad to see that there can't be a single generation without a war.
And Im sure what Saddam did in '88 was a big eleborate hoax by the US, right
Just because you disagree, dont act like they are "brainwash"ing.
That's not what I meant dadzeh =P
If you would live here in Americaand you would analyze everything on TV and in the newspapers you would understand what I mean.
....I'm stuck in China with CNN...Jesus, they've shown the same report 20 times, and replayed the same videos a bunch of times...
...From what I've heard, the people just want this over and done with so they're not prisoners in their own country anymore. Face it, even if Bush becomes a freaking power-hungry maniac, I think Iraq with US aid is going to be a lot better off than it would be under So-Damn Insane's rule....I get tomorrow off, because I go to an international school...
...and then...SPRING VACATION! They wouldn't think of hijacking a plane outbound from Shanghai towards SFO, would they? Anyways, I don't really think Bush is going to continue on his little crusade after this. It may seem like he's bent on making the world all nice and peaceful, but he's basically just trying to finish up his daddy's job.
...And we're not being "brainwashed"! We're just being shown the same crap over and over again until we say "Enough, fine, we agree!!!!!"
Saddam = killed over 2 million citizens
Bush /= killing 2 million citizens
So explain the logic of saying that Bush is as insane or power-hungry as Saddam...
As far as Israel goes, you tell the palenstinians to quit targeting innocent civilians with their nail bombs and we'll tell Israel to stop destroying future bio-bombs (I.E. Suicide Bombers). The Arab world doesn't want peace with Israel, they've done nothing but try to kill as many Jews as possible since the creation of the Jewish State, then when they start wars of agression and Israel kicks their Butt and takes a bit of their land as punishment, suddenly Israel is the bad guys. They should be happy Israel just doesn't wipe their sorry asses off the face of the earth.
You tell al-Qaida, Hezzabolah, Jihad to disarm and quit targeting civilians and then will talk about the collateral damage that Israel inflicts when wiping out terrorists cells in the neighborhoods that support them.
::takes a deep breath::
Alright.. a few things.
How could anyone say the war in Afghanistan did not accomplish anything? HELLO?!
Once the Taliban was forced out of power, women were essentially liberated. They were able to be on the news programs again, and little girls could finally go back to school. The Taliban oppressed women, and the U.S. liberated them. That's one good thing, right? Second, since we toppled the Taliban we have been able to flush out a number of high-ranking al'Qaeda figures. The Pakistan police are able to capture them, finally, since they can't hide in Afghanistan anymore. Even though we haven't caught Bin Laden himself, we have caught his third in command, his son slated to take over control of al'Qaeda when Bin Laden kicks it, and a number of other officials. Through them the CIA has confirmed that it has stopped "literally dozens" of terrorist attacks.
So, how.. exactly was that a failure??
Next.. The reason we didn't take Saddam out during the Gulf War is that we were listening to the U.N. They only approved war to evict the Iraqi forces from Kuwait, nothing else. If Bush #1 had his way, Saddam would have been removed in 1991. The cease-fire he signed gave him 15 days to disarm or military action would be resumed -- well.. we gave him 12 years. I think that's enough.
How could you defend a man like Saddam, or compare him to Bush. I may not like everything that Bush does, but he's not a sadistic dictator that rules with an iron fist over his country. His political opponents are not shot down, and the elections are not forced with scare tactics (ie: vote for Saddam or risk death). We actually have a little something called freedom of speech, which means our peacenick protestors can protest without being shot (try protesting one of Saddam's policies in Baghdad).
This is a man who has tried to invade two countries. First Iran in 1980 because he perceived them as weak and easy to take over... and second Kuwait, because he wanted their oil. This is a man who has used chemical weapons on the Kurdish population, and even the Muslim population that inhabits the country. This is the same mad who ordered the draining of the marshes in between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, effectively destroying the livelyhood of the "Marsh Muslims" because he felt like it.
He is a monster. He needs to leave Iraq for good. The U.S. asked nicely, now we are going to force the issue.
If Saddam was as charismatic as Hitler was, he probably would have already taken over France... If we leave him alone for long enough, who knows what he'll do. If you truly understand the history of WWII, you will understand what I'm talking about.
As does Canada, as does France, as do dozens more nations. Israel? Not been confirmed. I don't agree with Sharon's actions in Gaza, and I've been critical of their handling of the situation ever since Netanyahu took office (which was some years back). As disagreeable as the tactics the IDF uses are, they are using them against combatants (The PLO are terrorists). Yes, its too heavy handed IMO, and I think there are ways to address this, but it is NOT anywhere near the same issue as the one in Iraq.Uhm... what about Israel? They have WMDs too, don't they?
--Absolutely crushed the Taliban regime, which is one of the most barbaric fundamentalist groups that has sprung into prominance since the Ayatollah gave fundamentalists a bad name. I've followed news on the Taliban movement since they captured Kabul in 1996. These people needed to go.Also, taking into account very recent history... take the attacks of Afghanistan, for example. What good did that do?
--Severely Disrupted the effectiveness of al Qaeda or far worse. True, we haven't captured Bin Laden. We've done a hell of a lot that's just shy of that mark. We've obliterated his financial holdings, his communications and intelligence infrastructure, and have arrested or killed dozens of his supporters, including his chief attack planner. That definitely counts for something.
FAR MORE innocents have been killed by leaving Saddam Hussein in power. FAR MORE innocents would be killed if we continued to not act. The acts of wanton execution, intimidation, and torture inacted by the Baathist regime are enough to make Hollywood movies blush at the prospect. Hussein's Tikrit thugs have essentially held a country hostage for 20+ years, and only through the iron-handed use of fear have they been able to consolidate their power.The war is pointless. I'd be for it if there was actualyl a reason for going in, but there isn't. All it'll manage to do is aggravate a bunch of people and get innocent lives killed.
Thats quite an unfounded assumption. I'd like to think that removing a mass-murdering dictator who is a nice source of funds for jihad soldiers (Saddam actually pays money as incentive for PLO suicide bombers), and helping the most educated and heterogeneous nation in the entire middle east back on its feet will do wonders for the region, as well as stemming the tide of terrorism.Okay, woohoo, war goes down, Saddam Hussein is killed. Then what? The only thing this is going to succeed in is to bring about a rise in new and more powerful terrorists.
I'm glad you speak for everyone. Please stop doing so, now.Nobody likes America. Global leaders may say one thing; the public has an altogether different opinion.
Thats their own choice, and is indicative of nothing.Several MPs from the British Parliament have even resigned because of Blair condoning the war.
Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?I live in Bangladesh, and I for one know just how anti-American people can be. These new terrorists attack Bush. Bush goes insane and nukes every other country. The cycle repeats itself.
You have a right to voice your concerns. That's fine. But you also need to temper that with some insight and knowledge into the situation, which you do not sufficiently have.I admit, I might not have any idea about this war and so don't have much of a right to say anything.
Then I'm sure he could cite reasons as to Bush "taking over the world"?I asked my dad (who DOES know what's going on) about his opinion on the war, and in his exact words, he said that Bush is trying to "take over the world".
Get some meds for your nose, Taj. Sorry to hear about that.
If I might point out...the USA is taking over the world... They use bully methods to make it so that if they want to take something from your country, they take it! If you complane, they throw fines, legal fees, and the media at you. And in the end your ten times worse off than if you just gave them the stuff for free!
Bush and Cliton both are economical dictators that were very happy to take over the world, using nothing more than than the fact that if you don't do things their way they ether bankrupt you or bomb you.
Please keep in mind...This is only MY opition...
OMG! CONSPIRACY D00D!!! USA = AMERIKKKAN NAZIS Y0!
Only your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.
Well the war has now offically stared (so says CNN).
Massive bombing has stated, and our troops are moving in.
And another thing... There are always people who are close to the war. No matter where you go or what you do, you'll find that there are people close to the war. And for their sake I hope that this war will not get as bad as alot of people have said. I pray to God that this is over quickly, and with as little as casualities as possible.
Hear about the total innocent casualites last night? Word I heard............1. Shall we count to one together? There were more Scuds that "dont exist" fired than there was innocents killed. Doesnt that say something to you?
Neyasha.. Do you have any instances to support your feelings?
Any specific events that would point you to say that?
Personally I could bring up a number of instances that would be totally opposite of what you said.
1988. 5,000 Kurdish people killed, 10,000 injured. A day later, 400 Kurdish people rounded up, never to be seen again.The war is pointless. I'd be for it if there was actualyl a reason for going in, but there isn't. All it'll manage to do is aggravate a bunch of people and get innocent lives killed.
Iraqi prison. A 15 year old boy is NAILED to a window frame.
And the words "Plastic Shredder" really shouldnt need explaining when you realise they didnt throw plastic in all the time.
So, who is the person killing innocents?
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