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    1. Empire Strikes Back
    2. Return of the Jedi
    3. A New Hope

    (though 2 and 3 could switch, depending what mood I'm in)

    4. Mneh, this is kinda hard...One of the prequels, that much is obvious, none of 'em really stood out as better than the other. Sure episode III was newest, but I think the trailer was better than the movie. I dunno, this is gonna have to take more thought.

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    Originally posted by Droo
    That, and I'm a complete sucker for the first films in series I love, the special ones that get the ball rolling and set the adventure off in a very Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey kind of way.
    That explains a lot. I'll happily agree to disagree.

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    Personally, I find it far from obvious that ESB is better than ANH. I always was torn wether I should think of ANH or ESB the better SW movie. I think though, ESB is the better movie as a chapter in a story, while ANH really shines as a stand alone movie. So it really depends on your point of view.

    Why does ANH work so well? The opening scene with the SD chasing the blocade runner just pulls you in right from the bat. And from that point on, its just a thrilling and increasingly captivating story until it ends with the rollercoaster finish, the Battle of Yavin. The twin suns of Tatooine setting with Luke looking into the horizon.. that really captured what SW is really about. The Death Star battle of ANH is the best space battle in the series, IMO. The awards ceremony at the end still gives me the chills and a 'feel good moment'. Also the hilarious dialogue (I love the bickering between Leia, Han and Luke in the Death Star). ANH got the most classic one liners and memorable quotes in motion picture history.

    ANH was a lightning in a bottle thing. It defined the sci fi and the action movie genre. It revolutionized special effects. I love the cinderella aspect in how Lucas who were laughed about first or thought to be crazy, makes this thing with a bunch of nerds and limited funds. Then it becomes the most amazing box office phenomenon and franchise of all time.

    It just an incredible entertaining and fun movie, no matter your opinion on Sci Fi. If I want to show someone who never seen SW before what its all about, I tell them to see ANH. I am 99% certain they would greatly enjoy it, and most likely they will want to see the other movies in the series. ANH is more unassuming and universally appealing than the other SW episodes.

    Also keep in mind, ANH was the first SW movie I ever watched (and one of the first movies I watched, period), so it made a lifetime impression on me. For me, the saga and my SW fandom started with ANH, so it will always be special.

    So my answer depends how you ask the question. If you ask what I think is the best movie, I will reply ANH. If you ask me what I think is the best SW episode, I will reply ESB.

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    That's a fair assessment. Well said. I think a lot of people prefer ANH because of the fact it is the first SW movie, meaning all the neat things like the force, lightsabers, space ships, etc...were all introduced in that seminal movie. But I think you summed it up best here:

    If you ask what I think is the best movie, I will reply ANH. If you ask me what I think is the best SW episode, I will reply ESB

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    I suppose it's time I replied to my own thread.

    Needless to say, Originals > Prequels. Prequels have been fun but the Originals I find just that much more entertaining. is this because I've watched and loved the Originals for years whereas the new lot are ... new? i don't know.

    ESB ranks as my favourite as always. Funnily enough I've grown to love ANH more in recent years (it's now my 2nd favourite, bumping down ROTJ). I watched it right through for the first time in a couple of years and I remembered how FUNNY the film is, what with the bickering robots, Han and Leia never getting along etc.

    Plus, as Yog mentioned, it works great as a standalone film.

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    Been meaning to respond to this, I would say originals over prequels, I loved the prequels but the Originals I saw first and grew up with so I know I would pick them, as for preference.
    1 Empire Strikes Back
    2 Revenge of the Sith
    3 Return of the Jedi
    4 A New Hope
    5 Attack of the Clones
    6 The Phantom Menance

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    Of course, you'll always find the ludicrous fanboy that not only ranks the Prequels as better, but THE THREE GREATEST MOTION PICTURES OF ALL TIME!!! Me, they're not as bad as some bashers want you to think, but they sure as hell aren't as good as the OT.

    1. ESB
    2. ANH
    3. ROTS
    4. ROTJ
    5. AOTC
    6. Clone Wars Cartoons
    7. Hardware Wars
    8. Spaceballs
    9. The SW Holiday Special
    10. TPM

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    I don't know that I'd rank TPM below the holilday special, but that's a real damning indictment on your part!

    That poor movie is NOT aging well.

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    I'd rank the Clone Wars cartoons tied with AOTC. There were parts that I didn't like but overall they felt really, really tight.

    I also can't rank ROTS ahead of ROTJ. It still has the mother of all space battles that only the new Battlestar Galatica has come close to.

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    Originally posted by Morgan Evanar
    I'd rank the Clone Wars cartoons tied with AOTC. There were parts that I didn't like but overall they felt really, really tight.

    I also can't rank ROTS ahead of ROTJ. It still has the mother of all space battles that only the new Battlestar Galatica has come close to.
    The reason RotS gets the push above RotJ for me is because they take Palpatine over and beyond the machiavellian/miltonian monster they originally created. The opera scene alone seals it for me. That being said, Palpatine is the most interesting character in the saga, and next to Obi Wan, my favorite.

    I'll also concede that the best movie of them all is ANH, because it is the only one of the six that is actually a complete story in and of itself, so its just semantics talking.

    1. ESB
    2. RotS
    3. RotJ
    4. ANH
    5. AotC
    6. TPM

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    The reason RotS gets the push above RotJ for me is because they take Palpatine over and beyond the machiavellian/miltonian monster they originally created. The opera scene alone seals it for me. That being said, Palpatine is the most interesting character in the saga, and next to Obi Wan, my favorite.
    You present a damn good point and I think I have to rewatch both now.

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    I was just looking through Mojo's site and they had a neat graphic on the complete Saga's B.O. take, adjusted for inflation.

    1. ANH $1.14B (31.4%)
    2. ESB $628.4M (17.3%)
    3. ROTJ $602.0M (16.6%)
    4. TPM $542.9M (14.9%)
    5. ROTS $380.3 (10.5%)
    6. AOTC $342.2 (9.4%)

    I was also kind of surprised to see that HP edged out ROTS for the 05 worldwide take. Still, nice B.O. rebound for ROTS.

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    Ok for me heres how it goes ANH was and is the best in my opinion,although i see ESB coming in a very close second.But as far as originals vesus prequals...the originals have it big time.I'm 18 as well and not anything can touch the original.I don't care about the graphics or anything the originals are just better all around.Plus...han is in the original...need I say more?

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    Ok for me heres how it goes ANH was and is the best in my opinion,although i see ESB coming in a very close second.But as far as originals vesus prequals...the originals have it big time.I'm 18 as well and not anything can touch the original.I don't care about the graphics or anything the originals are just better all around.Plus...han is in the original...need I say more?Also the way the comedic relief in the original was much better,I mean han and chewie and leia versus the prequal comedic relief of jar jar binks and whatever stupidity he gets himself into....um i'll take han chewie and leia.Plus like its been said its the first time you learn about the force and when i was growning up I thought god why can't that be me?

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    sorry about the double post

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    I remain like Switzerland on this issue.
    I think they are both great in their respective trilogies,
    but I prefer to view them as one story so I don't really
    think one is better than the other.

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    I'm definitely an OT man...but I've been learning to respect all six movies as a whole...the PT has it's quirks, but it is getting better all the time to me!!!

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    Originally posted by Jedieb
    I was just looking through Mojo's site and they had a neat graphic on the complete Saga's B.O. take, adjusted for inflation.

    1. ANH $1.14B (31.4%)
    2. ESB $628.4M (17.3%)
    3. ROTJ $602.0M (16.6%)
    4. TPM $542.9M (14.9%)
    5. ROTS $380.3 (10.5%)
    6. AOTC $342.2 (9.4%)

    I was also kind of surprised to see that HP edged out ROTS for the 05 worldwide take. Still, nice B.O. rebound for ROTS.
    I wonder what WW adjusted is? I wasn't too shocked to see Potter pass ROTS WW, Potter is still extremely popular overseas which was partly why. Still like you said it was a 200 million increase from AOTC.

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    I would take the prequels anyday of the week. Now make no mistake that the Orginial trilogy is by far better than any other film series or any film as a matter of fact but the prequels got to me on a emotional level, other than vader dying in rotj.


    1. ROTS
    2.TPM , by far the most underrated movie of all time
    3. ROTJ
    4. ANH/atoc tie
    5. ESB


    and yes, ROTS and TPM are the two GREATEST films ever made, period end of story, nuff said. Of course that's all my opinion How anyone can dislike TPM is beyond comperhension

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    Because for some, it shattered what the Star Wars prequels were suppose to be like.

    Anakin as a kid
    Midicholrians
    Gungans
    Maul dying like an idiot





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    The plot holes for me were painful and I pretend the EP1 and 2 don't exists except in a shortened version inside my head

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