What does that make Anakin then?
What does that make Anakin then?
The differing factor in the Sith and Dark Jedi are that the Sith actually seem to have a sense of dedication, that is, unto themselves.
The Dark Jedi are simply force sensitives that use the dark side. A Sith does this, but in adherence to a personal philosophy that all things done unto the world for one's own sake is the ultimate enlightenment. Really, they're the total opposite of a Jedi, as alluded by Palpatine & Anakin's operahouse discussion.
If you want to look at it in a strange light, consider the Jedi to be Buddhists, the Sith to be the Church of Satan, and the Dark Jedi to be Scientologists, or New Age hobby religionists. Best way of thinking about it that I can muster.The Sith rely on their passions for their power. They think inwards, only of themselves....The Jedi are selfless, they care only about others
Actually it makes me think a lot about the Church of Satan really. Joke religion that it is aside, its got some really interesting perspectives on self gratification in all aspects of your life.
So Dark Jedi act like Tom Cruise?!!?
I'm pretty much with Anbira. Sith is essentially a religion, or a philosophy. Dark Jedi is just a general term.
Dark Jedi: A person trained in Jedi skills that uses the Force for his own gains. This person either fell from the light or was corrupt from the get-go. It implies nothing about beliefs, just power. ... Exar Kun
Sith: A student and/or practitioner of methods (arts, sciences, or sorcery) that actively corrupt the force. They are more structured and follow a unified code (within their order). ... Darth Sidious and his various apprentices.
You can be a Dark Jedi who converts to Sith teachings. Don't see why not.
And I'll also add...
Force Adept / Dark Adept: Force practioner who was either trained by other means or are self-taught in their skills. ... Witches of Darthmoir, that cult from I, Jedi.
That said then, how can one differentiate between a Sith character and a Dark Jedi character in the way the choose to write and roleplay them?
Perhaps there is no way to differentiate. I don't recall there being a distinction made between them in the movies.
Well, there aren't any Dark Jedi in the movies. That's the problem.
Let me reference the Dark Side Sourcebook I have at home. It will probably enlighten me on the subject.
Originally posted by Droo
Well, there aren't any Dark Jedi in the movies. That's the problem.
That's because Dark Jedi is a purely EU-based concept. Hence the problems in trying to define differences between Sith and Dark Jedi using canon sources. There is no real canon about Dark Jedi. We have to go by what has been described in books, cartoons, comics, reference volumes, etc.
That said, I think Charley pretty much nailed what the Sith are in comparison to Dark Jedi, and in reference to Jedi. It's not canon, but it can't be canon. It's just a problem we're going to have to accept and work around in terms of RP.
Yes.Originally posted by Lilaena De'Ville
So Dark Jedi act like Tom Cruise?!!?
They blindly follow a path that another truly evil being assures them is the key to personal gain.
L. Ron Hubbard could easily be a Darth.
Wait, now you're confusing me.
Originally posted by Sanis Prent
Yes.
They blindly follow a path that another truly evil being assures them is the key to personal gain.
L. Ron Hubbard could easily be a Darth.
LMAO...
Charley, you're way too funny sometimes.
Yes there were. Count Dooku was a perfect example of a Dark Jedi in AOTC.Originally posted by Figrin D'an
That's because Dark Jedi is a purely EU-based concept. Hence the problems in trying to define differences between Sith and Dark Jedi using canon sources. There is no real canon about Dark Jedi. We have to go by what has been described in books, cartoons, comics, reference volumes, etc.
That said, I think Charley pretty much nailed what the Sith are in comparison to Dark Jedi, and in reference to Jedi. It's not canon, but it can't be canon. It's just a problem we're going to have to accept and work around in terms of RP.
But at the same time he was actually Darth Tyrranus. So he was still a Sith.
I think, as far as the films were concerned, there was no such thing as a Dark Jedi. It was simply Jedi, and their rivals, the Sith Lords.
And there was no distinction between Dooku, Vader, and Maul except their respective titles. The distinction is a fan/EU invention. As with so many other aspects of the Star Wars mythos, it's up to us to flesh it out.Originally posted by Morgan Evanar
Yes there were. Count Dooku was a perfect example of a Dark Jedi in AOTC.
Precisely. Dooku was a Sith Lord. He was Darth Tyrannus. Just because he left the Jedi Order, and became one of the Lost Twenty, doesn't mean that he was/became a Dark Jedi at that time. He disagreed with the Council and the way the Jedi were conducting themselves, so he left. Or maybe he was already being recruited by Sidious when he was still part of the Order, and his departure was orchestrated by Sidious himself. Either way, he went from Jedi to Sith, much like Anakin did. There's no evidence that he was ever a "Dark Jedi."Originally posted by Drin Kizael
And there was no distinction between Dooku, Vader, and Maul except their respective titles. The distinction is a fan/EU invention. As with so many other aspects of the Star Wars mythos, it's up to us to flesh it out.
Jedi skills or training doesn't mean that it was taught by a Jedi. Grevious told Obi-Wan that he was trained in Jedi arts by Dooku. Now, being that Dooku was a Jedi he could do this. But why? It wouldn't make sense to have a fallen Jedi teach others "Jedi" things. Sure, the skills and stuff is stuff that could be taught to everyone without all the dogma. But why call it Jedi teachings? Why not just call them Sith teachings, because they are relatively the same?Originally posted by Darth Malice
Dark Jedi: A person trained in Jedi skills that uses the Force for his own gains. This person either fell from the light or was corrupt from the get-go. It implies nothing about beliefs, just power. ... Exar Kun
I think the teachings that Grevious was refering to are just the general skills and teachings that any one and just about everyone could learn. And the only place to get any information on those skills would have been a Jedi, at the time, since the Sith were nothing more then a rumor, except to the Jedi.
So would there really be any difference in training between Jedi and Sith if you take out the dogma? After all, someone said that rogue Jedi were the ones that started the introduction into the Sith.
I believe "the Jedi arts" or "Jedi skills" is just another way of saying "the ways of the Force."
Correct.
Qui Gon mentioned this in TPM, of Darth Maul:
I don't know, but it was well-trained in the Jedi arts.
I've just thought that Dark Jedi was a vague term for anyone not a Jedi or a Sith. I mean, to some extent there might be good force users not of the Jedi, but for the most part I've found the better part of rogue force users to have some darker qualities to them.
As I said before, the Jedi and the Sith are two sides of a coin. Lucas, as stated by others, never mentioned Dark Jedi in the movies. They are an EU concept and thus a big toss up. Hence,
Originally posted by Drin Kizael
The distinction is a fan/EU invention. As with so many other aspects of the Star Wars mythos, it's up to us to flesh it out.I've checked the Light Side Source book and the Dark Side Source book and it came up with a generalization for these rogue force users. Merely Force adepts and Dark force adepts. Dark force adepts moves more into the Witches of Dathomir and the like. Force adepts being what the Kel Dor religion would be similar to before they were introduced to the Jedi. I think that this should be taken into more consideration as far as labeling rather than the term Dark Jedi, as it is more vague than probably necessary.Originally posted by Droo
I think, as far as the films were concerned, there was no such thing as a Dark Jedi. It was simply Jedi, and their rivals, the Sith Lords.
From what I've noted from both books, the Sith and Jedi have a long term balance. Jedi rule, Sith hide, (supposed prophetic event) Sith rule, Jedi hide, (supposed prophetic event) Jedi rule, Sith hide, so on and so on. The Sith and the Jedi each have their own prophecy, which if you look at it from far away well enough, it ends up saying the same thing on both sides. The films though, I think, were a rushed procession of the force balance system, as the jedi were overthrown and then reestablished 20-30 years later I believe.
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